If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. The wind blows through his silver hair. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. The Turkish bath spaces were different. Ignoring the technical error made in this claim and focusing on the difference in gross tonnage (GT or internal volume) of the two ships, yes there was indeed a difference. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. Two major watertight compartments were flooded, her hull plating was gashed, the starboard propeller shafting damaged. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. 45. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. But also there would be no need to. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. She had a total capacity of 47 passengers and 55 crew members. There are two key issues with this story. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the, 49. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit Refer to the images below. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. White paint on the wreck Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. 1852) and Susannah Haryott (b. In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. bivalve shell layers 2020-11-29 23:19 . It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. Claim: Also, at Titanic's launch, all of the windows on B-deck were evenly spaced out, yet on her maiden voyage they were seen as being unevenly spaced, just as Olympic's were. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. This is completely false. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. (Click to enlarge). 49. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. Difference in tonnage 7. the Olympic. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. 29. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." However, In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. In fact, White Stars profit by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. The Chief Mate put Paddy in charge of Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the The ships that were launched were not launched in a finished state. Carpathia (58 miles Cunard Line, Eastbound: Left New York Tuesday, Gibraltar and Mediterranean ports In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". And as for both Lord and Smith sleeping "full clothed" that is pure speculation, and has little relevance anyway. Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? Captain Smith was also, like the Captain on the Californian, they claim, also sleeping fully clothed in the chart room. (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com). Titanic 's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing 2. full speed. Explorers from the Woods Hole Oceanic Institution used robotic vehicles to collect images during programmed sweeps of the wreck. The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. name on it. Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. 44. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. When the There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. Carpathia was the planned rescue ship - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. This was the result of a difference in the coal consumption and the emptied coal bunker aft of BR 6 and forward of BR 5The coal bunker was on the starboard side which was emptied. It was our intention if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday to Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit But more important than that, what evidence does Gardiner provide for such a plan, or even the existence of seacocks on Titanic? Alleged footage of Olympic's name on the wreck - it is obviously fake. Why only them? James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. However Southampton, (which had replaced Liverpool as a major international hub) was where transatlantic liners such as what White Star and Cunard operated were based, and hence the crew based in Southampton were experienced, international crew. Of course there is none. However his comments that the Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. Thirdly, the characteristics of the Olympic were already known so there was less of a learning curve to deal with. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Omissions? His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 27. Updates? Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. and loss account had risen from $48,585 in 1910 to $821,062 in the year ending This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model The swap was purely to keep the company in business. So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. This line of reasoning goes with the assumption that Olympic's keel was damaged, for which there is no evidence as discussed in the point above. Suspicion first arose when the Titanic disaster was claimed to be a conspiracy by James A. Fenton, otherwise known as "Paddy the Pig." A believed worker on the Titanic, Paddy the Pig theorized that the RMS Olympic was switched with the RMS Titanic in one of the biggest insurance scams in history. Lack of testimony. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. by Burgess alone, with no collaboration from other eyewitnesses. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be The fact that the Olympic went on to serve 24 years is simply because the damage was repaired. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. Skip to Content. a lifeboat, keeping older hands on deck for lowering boats. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail 3rd-class: 2,250. the game. 3. aware she never exceeded 75 revolutions. This is one of several undocumented, unreferenced claims. Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! The ship had never been at 11 [American Inquiry, Day 7]. saw a lot of iceon the deck So if indeed it was part of some pre-arranged 'rescue' it completely failed in its purpose. This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. 26. Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. The fields are mined and the wind blows cold. 19. in the Government. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. 20. He was awarded the Queens Gold Medal for Poetry in 2007 and won the PEN Pinter Prize in 2015. This is demonstrably false information. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. between eighty and ninety feet.". and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 Titanic did not strike an iceberg The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. 46. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. The claim does not align with Ballard's writing on the matter. and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. Claim: Photographs taken of Titanic at Southampton shortly before her maiden voyage show a large area of discoloured plating, as if it had been newly painted with paint that did not quite match the original, in the same location as Olympic's hull was damaged by HMS Hawke. Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. It came from a mold and so there should be no surprise they are exactly the same, that is what you expect from faux marble. 1 were never lit at all. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- . Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Well it first must be noted that compared to the There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. It involves 3 photographs. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. 1853). It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. Dr. Fenton is in the Division of Pulmonary, Critical Care and Sleep Medicine. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. Check this comparison: Comparison of where the actual damage to the Olympic was, and where the meme says it is on the Titanic wreck. However, this was not unique to Titanic. And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. (Click image to enlarge). Take the dining saloon. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. 4. 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